Pulling a girl on the same night

I was checking out pickuplabs when a report caught my eye. The discussion is on what's called "The Apocolypse Opener". Coincidentally, a seduction lair in Canada had Cairon there and they tested out the opener as well. The results were about the same, strong hook if you get it, but then some logistic problems get in the way.

Ross Jeffries, the OOG (Original, Original Guru. Original Guru now means people in the game before Style published a book by that same name), posted up some problems with the Apocolypse Opener. His points are pretty salient. Essentially, it's an opener that would work based upon two preconditions. The woman has done SNLs before and is comfortable with the concept, further, the woman *wants* a SNL and is actively looking for one. The man doing the opener must be the type who routinely does SNLs or problems will occur.

One of the other residents, Sense, took offense. RJ can be famously abrasive, he has a reputation of being a total... anyway Sense assumed that RJ was making fun of him. RJ was actually wearing his kid gloves this time, so I don't know why Sense got upset.

Anywho, my own two cents to this discussion ties into other points I've made on this blog. The first, you need to be able to calibrate in field, and that won't happen if you don't have experience. Here's a few logistical problems you will run into on a SNL and this is not exhaustive.

Sense, RJ actually has a good point. Here’s some off the top of my head.

You get the girl. You ask if she wants to go home with you, she says “Yes.” You go to your car with her.

Problem 1: Is your car clean? How far away is your house? Can you keep compliance with this girl long enough to do the full pull? Can you fend off her friends who are going to come to her and ask if she’s “Okay” ten thousand times?

If your house is fifteen minutes away and there’s going to be fifteen minutes of awkward silence, you’re going to have a hard time on this pull.

You pull up to the house and go inside. Now,

Problem 2: Is your house a mess? Most importantly, do you have a messy bathroom? Do you have any chick supplies so she can remove her make-up and not ruin your pillow? Do you have a contact lens case holder in case she wears contacts? Do you have any signs of pre-selection in the house? Do you have roommates or other people who are uncomfortably close? Do you have any ways to block out the sound if it gets loud?

Additional problem, she’s starting to flake because she’s got work in the morning. What do you do?

Next, you pull her into your bedroom.

Problem 4: She wants a drink. Do you have a mini-frig in your room for her, or does she have to leave your room to get it from the kitchen. What do you have to drink? How do you get her back in your room if she leaves? Her boyfriend calls, how do you react? She says she has work early in the morning.

You get her in the bedroom and are taking off your clothes.

Problem 5: Is everything groomed right? Do you have a condom nearby? Did you leave it in your pants and chunk them across the room? (Don’t emulate me here.) Did you wash everything? Do you have nice towels for her when she wants to shower? Is your bed comfortable?

All of these problems are going to hit you at once if you pull the girl, so if this is not something you experience normally, you will not be able to handle all this. Additionally, you will experience the seering pain of watching a woman walk out of your house that you had in there just seconds ago.